No difference it would make if you're an American citizen or an Iranian citizen, you can't generate a slightest change on your government's policies. So I can't catch any reasonable motive to continue discussing who the hell is responsible for the chaos all around the world.
I hate the world sometime. People want to survive but they rather to find their survival in killing, mass slaughtering others in the name of self-defense and their so called truth. Ideologies killed more than any lethal weapons ever created through the history of man kind.
One night making love, and I am aware that you'll be there soon as the love of me for being sparkles your existence, as I'm enjoying the pleasure , your life flashes in my eyes, seeing you tearing some lives apart to achieve a "mission accomplished" in a deadly operation or in a suicide bombing…
Close your eyes my little boy, I won't let anybody make you kill someone else, I won't let you change into some vampire of your own kind…
Put the gun down son. Look into the mirror, this is not what I wanted you to become.
I hate the world sometime. People want to survive but they rather to find their survival in killing, mass slaughtering others in the name of self-defense and their so called truth. Ideologies killed more than any lethal weapons ever created through the history of man kind.
One night making love, and I am aware that you'll be there soon as the love of me for being sparkles your existence, as I'm enjoying the pleasure , your life flashes in my eyes, seeing you tearing some lives apart to achieve a "mission accomplished" in a deadly operation or in a suicide bombing…
Close your eyes my little boy, I won't let anybody make you kill someone else, I won't let you change into some vampire of your own kind…
Put the gun down son. Look into the mirror, this is not what I wanted you to become.
posted by Spooky Witch at 2:03 PM
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I think it must be true in Iran that most Iranian citizens can't do anything to change the government policy. However, in America people can vote to change their government, at least in theory. It is arguable that Bush stole the last two elections. First in Florida in 2000, then in Ohio in 2004. In each case the votes were almost evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans. There were serious voting irregularities in both States that may have been deliberate violations of the law by the Republicans. Later this year, in November, I think things will be different though. There is great anger against Bush in America, and I think that the voters will elect many new Democrats to the House of Representatives and the Senate, hopefully enough to give the Democrats control. Then the fun will begin! :)
I agree with your thought that ideology is the leading cause of death throughout history (aside from diseases). It is so sad that religions are supposed to be about love and how to respect your fellow human, but in reality they breed so much hate and death!
The story of your son is poetic! I wish that all mothers could teach their sons the path of peace.
It is true. Politix is way too greedy n also powerful to let others have a say. All aound the world it is the same story with a different plot & casting.
P.S: It is for years that America is run by the same people behind the scene.
Hello Londoncaspian,
I am not as simple minded as you seem to have assumed, however, I take no offense from your comment. In fact, I am in general agreement with much of what you said. One of the great evils of the current U.S. political system is indeed all the corporate and special interest money that buys influence with politicians. Ordinary citizens of modest means are definitely not being well represented! I suppose that the same is true in England, as well.
Dr O2, I agree that there is a group of very wealthy and powerful Americans who control much of what happens. Something like 2% of Americans own half the wealth and physical assets in this country. That's a lot of muscle for buying votes and manipulating elections!
... the oil cowboys, the jewish lobby and fox news.
And we're brainwashed!!??!?
what are you doing there ? Comparing Iran's democracy with that of united states and UK and coming to the result that it' a bit better in UK & USA ?
I Iran democracy does not exist. As easy as that. Ah yeah people vote, do you know that Rafsandjani himself had repeated few time that there wher lot's of cheating during last presidentail election in Iran? Funny to see from who comes this argument. This regime has arrested three main student leaders during the last week for their demonstrations in different universities. Hundreds of students where arrested since four years ago and some of them are still in prison. The list is too long . Just come off it guys. At least don't walk on peoples suffering in Iran on claiming that they have a kind of democracy.
David, it depends on how we define "change" and change in what measures. I might be able to make a change due to the local elections but I wouldn't be able to change my government's policy due to Israel-Palestine crisis. As I have been informed, power always is handed from Dems to Reps or vice versa in USA. Due to the US foreign policies it doesn't make much difference which party takes the office. Mr. Clinton imposed brutal sanctions on Iraq causing death of 500,000 children and Mr. Bush started a war campaign in Iraq. Not that I am saying all USA foreign policies leads to terrible endings…USA intervention in Bosnia at least helped the situation to better off considerably .(I couldn't come up with any better example)
Interesting point about elections you mentioned is, at least people there get informed about where their votes go. In Iran votes get lost by millions!
Mothers always teach their sons the path of peace but sons forget their lessons so easily!
London Caspian, Good points on how really elections work in the most democratic countries!! But at least people there enjoy some good standards of living that leave them carefree about who really takes the charge of the office.
Iran's major problem due to the improvement in democracy is that, even minor efforts dealing with reforms in governmental structures is faced with hard oppositions from hardliners.(specially on those levels you mentioned)
Dr.O2, true but sad…
However, American people are living happier than ever; they have some wise guys behind the scene that insures Americans' happy lives. What about us?
Paul, who is not? We take impressions of every kind from news channels, TV shows, and press. It is hard to say someone connects the facts and collects information just from his observance of the world only. Being Brain washed doesn't just reflects the fact that some one follows what is fed by the mass media blindly but also we get brainwashed to some extent by our families or the society that we're part of it.
Rasko, proficient civil service is only effective when they're working within an efficient system. When system lacks a proper structure it has no use of trying to make things work for that system. In case of Iran I wonder what has to be done.
Your opposition to war on Iraq might not change anything but there are many people who share the same thoughts. Maybe in future people like you stop the next wars from taking place in Middle East or anywhere in on this planet.
Rubarzan,you might be true but honestly I usually avoid direct discussions on political situation inside Iran.
It is impressive when a few people are committed to creating change through non-violence (e.g. Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.). However, like it has been pointed out, most of us humans are simply complacent in the face of the status quo.
Whenever I hear "brainwashing" I see the image of a brain on a platter being cleaned with soap and water.
Oh, and I don't get my news from Fox. That is what is nice about having academic institutions - it is there where we get educated. Though, of course, it could use some improvements like anything else.
Spooky~
I totally agree with what you say about brain washing, but I have a problem with the term. One person's "brain washing" is another person's "social conditioning" or whatever. People typically like to use the word "brain washing" in order to dismiss an opposing view point, especially if their "rival" is a member of a "hostile" group, and even if they're not, they'll lump them in there.
Example:
Choice 1: Listen to what I have to say, deal with the issue
Choice 2: Point out that I am an American/Iranian/Muslim/Catholic/etc, and tell me that I'm brain washed by media/imams/priests/etc.
Choice 2 is more convenient because it's easier, requires less energy than actually engaging the person, and it also makes the person feel superior to whoever they're talking to. It's also a passive-aggressive insult, so people like it. If this weren't so, people would simply say, "Oh, you're just enculturated to believe that."
Spooky, you make a good point regarding American foreign policy under Clinton and Bush. Clinton was quite "conservative" with respect to some issues. I can see how you would think that there is little difference between the two Presidents. Also, I agree that the sanctions on Iraq caused great suffering and death, and ultimately failed to weaken Saddam. He just got rich off the black market while he let his people starve. However, from my point of view, I think there are important differences between Bush and Clinton. Bush has done things that Clinton would have never dreamed, in my opinion. Bush is responsible for suspending the Geneva convention with respect to so called "enemy combatants". He is also responsible for ordering the kidnapping and torture of many alleged terror suspects. These people were flown on secret CIA flights through European countries that expressly forbid torture to countries in which torture is routinely used. I think that Clinton, like Bush's father, was wise enough to know that invading Iraq was a very stupid idea. Iraq under Saddam was very much like Yugoslavia under Tito. When Tito died, Yugoslavia fell apart and eventually into civil war. As you pointed out, Clinton helped end that civil war and the attrocities in Bosnia, but Bush's invasion of Iraq may ultimately lead to a very nasty civil war there. I think that the only thing preventing this now is the presence of American troops. I don't want to see a civil war in Iraq. In the past two years, I have made friends with a number of Iraqi bloggers and I care what happens to them. I am just very frustrated with all the murdering going on there! Sorry, I'm running on a bit. I guess you can see that I am very passionate on this subject!
u train ur boy but what about other children?
I had a Farsi blog on Politics and am fed up with it. Sorry.
Nerdic, unfortunately number of people who rush for quick solutions which are often violent and destructive exceeds number of leaders like Gandhi or Martin Luther King.
Creating change through peaceful process takes time. Nowadays Leaders lack tolerance and patience of those like Gandhi.
News agencies like Fox news are illustrations of some war hawkish media to other people living outside of USA. Of course generalizing issues like" all people in USA use Fox news as their source for news" is more like saying "all people in middle east use Aljazirah as their information resource" which is very distant from reality .Specially in none- Arab Muslim countries like Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
London Caspian, I truly agree with you that we have to defend the little freedom we earned Iran to be able to improve the whole situation .My friend ,be careful, opposing those lobbies may cost you your job..(Just kidding)
Paul, why doesn't anybody write a book with the title of "art of debate"? That would be so helpful.
You're somehow right that sometimes people use these kind of terms to fire an opposite view points without bothering themselves to reason over the issue, but in general there is no other term better than this term to fit the situation. I personally prefer to use "ill-informed" but I will emphasize that I presume the other side's incorrectness is according to my reasoning and rationality.
David, Bush administration mainly fueled by neo-cons doesn't seem to be really interested in peace or saving lives of innocent civilians. If they really cared for Iraqi people they could overthrow Saddam during the Gulf war.
Regarding to Mr. Bush and Mr. Clinton, in my opinion you're right on that point Clinton acted way more tactfully than Mr. Bush.
Referring to Bosnia, reports of mass murder, organized mass rape, and torture became widespread. Tens of thousands of people, mostly Muslim males, were herded into concentration camps, where many died or were executed. These atrocities produced worldwide condemnation, but there was no international intervention except for the delivery of humanitarian aid under the protection of otherwise ineffective UNPROFOR troops. The UN Security Council authorized the deployment of 7,000 UNPROFOR troops in Bosnia in 1992. By 1994 they numbered 24,000. (It is noticeable there were no efforts from countries like USA! I suppose they were busy somewhere else)
Just after 2 years USA decided to take action against Serbs in Bosnia. In July 1995, Serb forces overran Srebrenica and Zepa. In Srebrenica they massacred thousands of Muslim men and boys, captured in the presence of a small Dutch UNPROFOR contingent that had requested NATO air support but never received it. It really shocked me when I researched for what really happened in Bosnia and how the international community responded so late. Don't you think USA hesitated for a very long time (for mere two years) to help the innocent civilians there?
I set out full details of Bosnia to clarify where my opposition stands against some of USA policies. If they demand the international compliance without any question in return they have to act faultlessly.
I am impressed to see you're concerned about those people in Iraq, specially the verity that those bloggers have faces behind the cyber space.
I have to show my gratitude to the Mighty Google and the free web space it gives us. So no worries!
Deci, all mothers teach the right things, kids forget their lessons.
Behrooz,I don't remember obliging others into reading my stuff…
Spooky, in answer to your question, yes I agree that the U.S. and European countries could have acted sooner in Bosnia. I wish the same had been true in Sudan, as well. There is an ongoing genocide there that is much worse than what happened in Bosnia!
I am concerned about all people. Regardless of race, religion, etc., we are all members of the same family.
Iran didn't send a peacekeeping force to Bosnia? Nothing's impossible if someone else has to do it.
We never criticise or give any comments when a non western country acts in a barbarian way. But when it comes to the western countries and specially US, everybody becomes defender of democracy and peace. I am very sorry to say this but if there are people in Iran, (or same kind of countries) who talk about democracy or women's rights and other stuff, it is only and only because these are the values that we learned from the western countries. Peace messages come from there and opposition of american people to the war in Vietnam thought us that there are other ways possible. Why US didn't interfere in Soudan? Why US didn't interfer in Bosnie earlier? Why they didn't do anything here and there? What are you talking about, there are 6 bilion people on the earth and nearly 200 countries. What about all the others then? How comes we never hear about what is going on in Pakistan the way they treat women? Or when China is sweeping all the economic contracts in african countries that the west refuse to take part because of these countries very poor human rights results. How comes no one talks about the Chinees? Niether in this blog nor anywhere else. What do you expect : that US spends few billion dollars and then says ok folks I am going out now it's up to you to do what you want. We have all forgotten what a monster Saddam was. A facist who was executing his own people by thousands. Now US is a invador. Of course he is an invador. These same Iraqi people never dared to say a word against Saddam but now they are free to say what they want. Sometimes the solutions are not as easy as it appears on the paper.
My Lucid Dreams, I am sure if the Reza shah d'Iran had not forced women to take off their Chador, women in Iran would be exactly in the same situation as in Saudi Arabia, which means not having the right to even drive cars.So was he right or was he wrong? Not very easy to answer. Ok I stop. Just one last thing, I am not royalist and I am not looking for a revolution. I just want my people to wake up and realise that all these traditions ( religious or cullturals) are just some nonsenses. That's all.
Yes brando. Iran sent troops to Bosnia to export the same ideas that they are imposing by force on Iranian people. Their aim was not to defend the bosniac or liberate them, but to have them as their element in heart of the western countries. We all know what for.
"Choice 1: Listen to what I have to say, deal with the issue
Choice 2: Point out that I am an American/Iranian/Muslim/Catholic/etc, and tell me that I'm brain washed by media/imams/priests/etc."
I agree with this wholeheartedly -- people are often way too keen to dismiss what you have to say based on who you are, rather than content. (A London-based friend of mine once told me I "argue like an American" because I quoted some recent study reported in the news. I'm still not sure what that's supposed to mean. :-) Maybe we Yanks are just argumentative?)
I think Switzerland might have the democracy thing down, more than most, anyway. They have far more direct-to-the-populace referendums without the "middleman" of a Congress or a Parliament. On the flip side... they can because they're relatively really tiny. Most of these other countries we're referencing are huge and therefore inefficient.
I always thought Communism would work really well IF you were talking about a group of maybe 20 people. MAYBE. And they would need to be related somehow. (Actually I could probably apply that to most "isms")
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